Babylon Blues Interview

Over the weekend, I interviewed friend of the blog and fellow #PulpRev author Benjamin Cheah about his newest fiction project, Babylon Blues. To my surprise, he had quite a bit to say, and he really shed light on his creative process. My questions are in bold, while his answers are in italics.

What gave you the idea for Babylon Blues?

Throughout my teens and twenties, I maintained an interest in urban fantasy. I liked the idea of monsters, mythology and magic mashed up in a modern urban setting; to me, it felt like an update of the fairy tales and classics I read in my childhood, and carried endless storytelling possibilities. But the execution of the genre left much to be desired. To be blunt about it, many UF series are disguised paranormal romance, STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER fantasy, or both. It’s blatant wish fulfillment instead of innovation. To make this work, they reduced the terrifying abominations and beasts of my youth to objects of (female) desire who in turn find the (almost always) female protagonists irresistible. It left a bitter taste in my mouth.

In the stories that aren’t out-and-out wish fulfilment, I identified many flaws and mistakes that should have gotten the characters crippled, killed, or at least severely disadvantaged. Only a tiny minority of authors met my requirements: deep worldbuilding, incredible magic, ferocious monsters, believable characters and character development, and of course, the judicious application of overwhelming firepower. I wanted to take these tropes for my own stories, to build upon the ideas that inspired me.

I also encountered Shadowrun. Shadowrun was a science fantasy tabletop RPG, set in a futuristic world where magic, spirits, cybernetics and megacorps run rampant. My first exposure to it was in primary school, when I borrowed two of the tie-in novels. The stories didn’t stick, but the tropes and concepts did. When the Shadowrun Returns CRPG was released, I was reminded of my childhood, and dove deeper into the lore and the tropes, appropriating them as necessary for my work.

But the catalyst for Babylon Blues proper came from, if you can believe it, a song: Tokio Funka.

The song describes a Tokyo of corruption, decadence and chaos. Gangs of young men swinging katanas and wreaking havoc everywhere they go, drug abuse, open prostitution. Then came these lines:

“okappiki babiron yowaki mono abandon” / “In this Babylon of thief-takers, abandon the weak”

The Biblical Babylon was the greatest, wealthiest and most powerful city in the world. But it was also a city of corruption and degeneracy, the symbol of rejection of the Christian God.

Another line also stood out:

“sakase yo hana o ukiyo wa setsuna” / “Bloom, flowers, the transient world is but a moment”

This is a quintessentially Japanese Buddhist line. Ukiyo means ‘floating world’, a reference to the urban lifestyle of the Edo period, and the pleasure quarters in particular. The nation was finally united and at peace. The samurai had hung up their swords to become civil servants. Merchants pursued profit with single-minded focus. The arts flourished — but so did vices, especially prostitution.

Ukiyo is also a homophone for ‘sorrowful world’ in Japanese. The world of suffering from which Japanese Buddhists sought liberation.

Pleasure and glamour are transient. But so, too, are suffering, sorrow, and degeneracy. Even the ukiyo, too, is transient. All phenomena must end — even the reign of archdemons.

From these lines Babylon came full-formed. Babylon is Las Vegas and New York, Shinjuku and Kabukicho, Patapong and Paris, and every city of lust and wealth and tech rolled into one. It is a city that rejected old faiths and values, and in their place openly worships demons. It is an unholy marriage of ukiyo and Sin City.

Babylon Blues is a fusion of these concepts: high-intensity tactical action, science and magic side by side, religion and heresy, and one man’s struggle to maintain his faith in the eternal as he navigates the floating world.

I’ve noticed a strong affinity for “tactical” stuff in your work. Are you fascinated by modern military maneuvers?

As Sun Zi’s Art of War states: “War is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.”

My interest in military affairs began with the thrillers I read in my adolescence. Nuclear submarines, main battle tanks, attack helicopters, howitzers, all the high-tech weapons of war that visited death and destruction when let loose. But my interest in tactics began when I read Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy, which pitched a NATO counterterrorist unit against groups of terrorists all over the world. Then I picked up a condensed version of Sun Bin’s Art of War (not to be confused with Sun Zi), and my interest in strategy and maneuvers began in earnest. I learned that master of tactics and strategy spelled the difference between life and death, victory and defeat, and no amount of fancy hardware could make up for poor strategic acumen.

Shortly after that, when I delved into genres outside thrillers, and certain lesser thriller writers of poorer repute, I noticed a distinct lack of tactics and strategy. I saw characters making no end of stupid mistakes, even though they should know better. It was annoying, to say the least. These were the kind of mistakes that would lead to the death of the characters and the ruin of nations.

Once you have eyes to see these mistakes, you cannot unsee them. You cannot close your eyes and pretend they’re all right. If nothing else, an entire generation of readers who have served in the military will excoriate you. Thus, he who writes fiction where the art of war is of vital importance cannot neglect his studies into the various manifestations and fields of the art in his own art.

When I began writing as a pro, I decided I would ground my action scenes in believable tactics and strategy. It would be my signature.

Would you say that the turn to fantasy is at least somewhat inspired by the realities of nuclear weapons and drone warfare? (To be fair, this isn’t new; some read Lord of the Rings as Tolkien critiquing industrial society.)

Fantasy is wish fulfilment at some level. In the modern age — more specifically, to Americans — conflicts can be fought a continent away with the push of a button. While this removes the human operator from danger, it also makes war sterile and bland.

Fantasy settings without nukes and drones and other long-range weapons technologies require up-close engagement with enemies and danger. There is no instant-win button — not for the good guys, anyway. In every battle, fought so close you can smell the enemy’s breath, a hair’s breadth divides life and death, and skill at arms is paramount. There is an intensity in combat that cannot be replicated in sci fi settings. In this proximity, there is room for valour and glory, for the individual to shine — and for the adulation of the audience, in this case, the reader.

This same combination of wish fulfillment and intensity applies to every aspect of life in a fantasy setting. Instead of cold cities filled with towering skyscrapers, you have towns filled with warmth and people; instead of expensive but mass-produced technology, you have sorcerers and magicians and wizards who can perform miracles; instead of a humdrum world that seems to shrink with every increase in knowledge, you have a magical world waiting to be explored.

Fantasy may or may not be directly inspired by the realities of nukes and drone warfare, but it certainly presents a marked contrast to the modern world. And, if done right, it is also a vision of a world crafted to meet the needs of the human heart.

What’s your take on how good vs. evil is portrayed today?

Notions of good and evil are rooted deeply in the collective consciousness of a society. It is informed by its history, cultural cornerstones, philosophy, values, etc. Over decades, the West had steadfastly rejected its past, its values, its culture, and in their place it elevated mere hedonism, ostentatious outrage and open degeneracy. It has rejected the religious and philosophical frameworks that informed its notions of good and evil, instead embracing moral relativism.

You can see this in lots of modern fiction. Subversion is celebrated, antiheroes have no standards, villains are either flat or lack contrast with the alleged heroes, there is no higher purpose for the heroes beyond simple survival or a paycheck or other selfish reasons.

By rejecting notions of objective good and evil, everything necessarily becomes corrupt. There are no lines that cannot be crossed, no standards to live up to, no higher purpose and no reason to look beyond the self. Every hero must be flawed and broken and damaged, every villain is simply a worse version of the hero. And this is celebrated and continues to be celebrated in modern SFF. Everything melts into a shade of grey.

This isn’t necessarily a screed against moral complexity, but to place a character into a morally ambiguous situation, you must have a clear understanding of good and evil to begin with. You must know where the line is before you know how to believably blur it. If you don’t care for such antiquated notions as objective good and evil, then the result is merely mush or differing shades of gray and black.

I haven’t read a lot of thrillers, but would you say that they are nihilistic or lacking in some way?

Thrillers are the last bastion of conservative values, and as such you’ll be hard-pressed to find outright nihilistic thrillers.

You’ll notice this in the clear-cut moral conflicts, villains who are clearly evil, action-oriented heroes who try their best to be good and purposeful. Even in stories that are out-and-out bad guys versus even worse guys, you’ll a kernel of moral goodness in the antiheroes. They only target criminals worse than themselves, they hunt down the most vicious predators in society, they have a code of ethics, etc.

Even thrillers written by avowedly left-wing authors still adhere to a semblance of moral precepts. The bad guys get their due, the good guys (eventually) win, and the day is saved.

This is not to say that it’s all good, though. The mainstays of the thriller genre have often been accused to simplifying complex matters, or presenting brutality as the best or only option. Heroes torturing villains is commonplace and always generates reliable information, targeted killings are shown as solutions to difficult problems, the good guys can kill their way to a clean victory. I think there’s room for more sophisticated conversations on violence, morality, policy and consequences in the thriller genre.

Yuri Yamamoto

Now, about Yuri Yamamoto. Without spoiling anything, what’s he all about?

In many respects, he is an inversion of Babylon. He is the best of East and West, an ordinary man in a city of gods, a man with deep faith in a god no one has seen but has authority even over the New Gods.

He is a samurai of the streets, who strides the world with sword and gun, ready to defend the innocent. A Christian knight who confronts evil wherever it lurks its head. He is a master of the Way of hand, stick, knife and gun. He knows he can’t defeat the abominations that haunt Babylon with sheer brute force alone; he outsmarts them, employs unorthodox tactics, comes at them where they least expect him.

You’d expect him to be a hard man. But he’s not. He’s soft — but not ‘soft’ in the sense of weakness. He is relaxed and receptive, smooth and graceful. Fighting with him is like grappling with an empty jacket. He just disappears, and the aggressor falls into a sudden void — and the end comes soon after.

He is also a man grounded in faith. Not the ignorance of children or the desperate grasping of zealots, but a deep understanding and acceptance of the underlying laws and principles of the Universe, having experienced them in his martial arts training and elsewhere. He knows that the Universe is more than just a man with limited knowledge and reach, and instead of trying to brute force his way through problems, he lets his ego dissolve and places his complete trust in the Universe — and in God.

He is a Christian in the mystical tradition, one who seeks direct experience of the Divine. In his spiritual path he is also a bridge between East and West, embodying the fundamental teachings of Christianity while engaging in the deep meditative and psychological work of Eastern traditions.

Yuri Yamamoto is a man. But he is also a myth and a mystery wrapped up in an enigma.

He is the only man the New Gods fear.

What does Babylon Blues offer that most other thrillers or fantasies don’t?

Babylon Blues is the best of both genres.

The pulse-pounding action, authentic combat and gear, and grittiness of military technothrillers, and the horrifying monsters, incredible magic, and deep worldbuilding of urban fantasy.

It is also a story of valour and virtue. It is about doing the right thing the right way and standing fast to the truth even if the whole world turns against you.

Most of all, it is a story about how one man’s faith can change the world forever.

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I applaud Cheah’s efforts to change the urban fantasy genre for the better, so it is only fair to link to Dungeon Samurai, one of his recent novels. Do give it a shot.

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8 Responses to Babylon Blues Interview

  1. Xaver Basora says:

    Rawle

    If you read Hollow city, Ben delves deeper into order and chaos obedience and disobedience and so forth. In many ways you see that novel as another reflection about the religion that Babylon blues started.
    Both novels complement each other.

    It’d be really cool to have an Adam Song and Yuri adventure short story.

    Hollow city blew me away and serves as one of my inspirations for my Deus vult and mecha novels.
    So does Bablyon blues.

    xavier

    • Rawle Nyanzi says:

      As expected from Cheah. He really is talented.

      • Xavier Basora says:

        Rawle,

        He sure is. He like some many in the pulp rev/superversive/cruci fiction genre have deeply inspired me to write my own stories. And the courage to persevere even when I find writing to be tough going.

        So much so that I decided to do a partial rewrite of my mecha novel because I was displeased with myself at how I was narrating the themes.

        Anyway, I’m a bit bummed out because I’ll miss Yuri and his team.
        But I do look forward to his next series.
        xavier

        • Rawle Nyanzi says:

          He’s an inspiration to us all. It’s unbelievable how hard he works.

          • Thanks for your compliments!

            Babylon Blues isn’t the end of the saga. Not by a long shot. If anything, it’s merely the end of the beginning.

            Yuri Yamamoto, the Black Watch, and their allies and enemies will return. In 2020, I’ll be working on the next batch of Babylon stories.

            And this time, they’ll be novels.

          • Rawle Nyanzi says:

            I see. You really have Babylon Blues planned out.

          • Xavier Basora says:

            Benjamin

            Yes!!!
            I can wait to sponsor them or buy them at Amazon.

            xavier

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